Scam Report Against @Cryptocard and @Atlas_VoIP

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I understand why you're upset, and if I were in your position, I'd be frustrated too. However, there are several assumptions being made that simply aren't accurate.

First, I did not become aware that people had actually been scammed until today. The only previous comment I saw was from someone claiming there was an issue and asking for help. Since I do not own, operate, or have access to the service, I told him to contact the actual owner. At that point, I had no evidence that the service was an outright scam.

The moment I became aware that customers were reporting losses and a dispute was opened, I removed my thread, signature, and advertisements because I did not want anyone else depositing money into the service. If my goal was to scam people, removing the advertisements immediately would make no sense because I was not receiving any of the deposits in the first place.

Second, I never received any money from this service. I did not receive your $36.38, I did not receive referral earnings from you or anyone else, and I never had access to customer funds. Every payment went directly to the Cryptocard bot and its owner. If I had received your money, I would have no problem refunding it. The reality is that I cannot refund money that I never received.

Third, the reason I trusted the service and left positive feedback was because I personally used it successfully. I was one of the early users and spent hundreds of dollars through it without issues. My first card alone was funded with $125 and fully used. I also had another card that I used for advertising expenses, spending over $350 on it. From my experience at the time, the service appeared legitimate, which is why I recommended it.

As for Cryptocard's reputation, he did not have negative feedback when I started using the service. The positive feedback I left was based on my own experience, which is exactly what the reputation system is intended for: reflecting personal trading experiences. It is not a guarantee of every future action someone may take.

I understand the argument that my reputation influenced your decision. That's fair. But influencing someone's decision and being the person who took their money are two different things. I recommended a service that had worked for me personally. I did not own it, operate it, receive customer funds, or profit from your loss.

If I had known this was a scam from the beginning, I never would have advertised it. I gained nothing from this situation-not even referral earnings-and now my own reputation is being damaged because of someone else's actions.

This is similar to someone advertising a service in their forum signature and later being blamed if that service turns out to be a scam. Throughout my posts and comments, I made it clear that this was not my service. I used referral links openly and never claimed ownership of the platform.

My intention was simply to share a service that had worked well for me and, if possible, earn a small referral commission. Unfortunately, neither of those things worked out. I never received any referral earnings, and it now appears that the service was not what I believed it to be.

I understand why you're upset, and I am genuinely sorry for your loss. If there were something I could realistically do to recover your funds or make the situation right, I would. However, I never owned the service, controlled any customer funds, or received the money that was deposited into it.

The person who can refund you is the person who received your money. Unfortunately, that was never me.

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Again, refunding $36.38 would not financially impact me in any meaningful way. The reason I am not doing so is not because I can't afford it, but because I do not believe I am responsible for the loss. I never owned the service, received the funds, or had any control over customer deposits.

I have been a respectful and contributing member of this forum for months, and my record speaks for itself. If the admins ultimately decide that I should be held accountable for promoting a service that later turned out to be a scam, then I will respect and accept whatever decision they make. My only goal here is to be honest about what happened and the role I actually played in it.

"Throughout my posts and comments, I made it clear that this was not my service."
In your threads you did not make any of this clear and If it not your service why are you making a whole thread dedicated to it?

"This is similar to someone advertising a service in their forum signature and later being blamed if that service turns out to be a scam."
This is not the same

"First, I did not become aware that people had actually been scammed until today."
I call bull shit you know you saw the message in your thread of people saying it was a scam. You only decided to remove it today because of my scam report.

"But influencing someone's decision and being the person who took their money are two different things."
Dude you basically took my money. Your made your own thread for the bot and I don't see anywhere in the thread saying your not the owner. Nigga you referred me into a scam why should you not be accountable. 

"I never received any referral earnings"
WELL NO SHIT YOU ONLY EARN MONEY FROM "THE TOP UP FEE" BUT THERE CANT BE A TOP UP FEE IF YOU CAN"T PURCHASE THE CARD .

This is obviously his alt or friends account and he's trying to make a little money on the side

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I understand why you're upset, and if I were in your position, I'd be frustrated too. However, there are several assumptions being made that simply aren't accurate.

First, I did not become aware that people had actually been scammed until today. The only previous comment I saw was from someone claiming there was an issue and asking for help. Since I do not own, operate, or have access to the service, I told him to contact the actual owner. At that point, I had no evidence that the service was an outright scam.

The moment I became aware that customers were reporting losses and a dispute was opened, I removed my thread, signature, and advertisements because I did not want anyone else depositing money into the service. If my goal was to scam people, removing the advertisements immediately would make no sense because I was not receiving any of the deposits in the first place.

Second, I never received any money from this service. I did not receive your $36.38, I did not receive referral earnings from you or anyone else, and I never had access to customer funds. Every payment went directly to the Cryptocard bot and its owner. If I had received your money, I would have no problem refunding it. The reality is that I cannot refund money that I never received.

Third, the reason I trusted the service and left positive feedback was because I personally used it successfully. I was one of the early users and spent hundreds of dollars through it without issues. My first card alone was funded with $125 and fully used. I also had another card that I used for advertising expenses, spending over $350 on it. From my experience at the time, the service appeared legitimate, which is why I recommended it.

As for Cryptocard's reputation, he did not have negative feedback when I started using the service. The positive feedback I left was based on my own experience, which is exactly what the reputation system is intended for: reflecting personal trading experiences. It is not a guarantee of every future action someone may take.

I understand the argument that my reputation influenced your decision. That's fair. But influencing someone's decision and being the person who took their money are two different things. I recommended a service that had worked for me personally. I did not own it, operate it, receive customer funds, or profit from your loss.

If I had known this was a scam from the beginning, I never would have advertised it. I gained nothing from this situation-not even referral earnings-and now my own reputation is being damaged because of someone else's actions.

This is similar to someone advertising a service in their forum signature and later being blamed if that service turns out to be a scam. Throughout my posts and comments, I made it clear that this was not my service. I used referral links openly and never claimed ownership of the platform.

My intention was simply to share a service that had worked well for me and, if possible, earn a small referral commission. Unfortunately, neither of those things worked out. I never received any referral earnings, and it now appears that the service was not what I believed it to be.

I understand why you're upset, and I am genuinely sorry for your loss. If there were something I could realistically do to recover your funds or make the situation right, I would. However, I never owned the service, controlled any customer funds, or received the money that was deposited into it.

The person who can refund you is the person who received your money. Unfortunately, that was never me.

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Again, refunding $36.38 would not financially impact me in any meaningful way. The reason I am not doing so is not because I can't afford it, but because I do not believe I am responsible for the loss. I never owned the service, received the funds, or had any control over customer deposits.

I have been a respectful and contributing member of this forum for months, and my record speaks for itself. If the admins ultimately decide that I should be held accountable for promoting a service that later turned out to be a scam, then I will respect and accept whatever decision they make. My only goal here is to be honest about what happened and the role I actually played in it.

"First, I did not become aware that people had actually been scammed until today."
Bullshit he saw the scam allegations on his thread. Just decided to ignore it because no one made a scam report

"The moment I became aware that customers were reporting losses and a dispute was opened" 
Yeah of course you first noticed he was scamming people when i made my dispute

 "I was one of the early users and spent hundreds of dollars through it without issues"
@Cryptocard joined may 20th and your were on his shop spending hundreds on the 21st SUS

"The positive feedback I left was based on my own experience"
If it was based on your experience why remove it, you never got scammed?

"I understand the argument that my reputation influenced your decision."
Nigga you basically scammed me too. You referred me into a scam. like you said "I have been a respectful and contributing member of this forum for months, and my record speaks for itself" yeah I click on YOUR THREAD and saw the 200+ rep and was like i should be good.

"This is similar to someone advertising a service in their forum signature and later being blamed if that service turns out to be a scam. Throughout my posts and comments, I made it clear that this was not my service. I used referral links openly and never claimed ownership of the platform." Yeah no

"However, I never owned the service"
yep you never owned but you promoted like you did had it in your profile and made a thread for it. In your thread I didn't see I don't own this bot and this is for referral?

I actually don't know if im getting trolled or not. PROMOTED ON YOUR PROFILE AND MADE A THREAD FOR IT, NEVER STATED ON YOUR THREAD FOR REFERRAL. 
AND YOU BELIEVE YOU SHOULDN'T BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE 

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This is a bump

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basically wrote the same thing twice didn't know my first message sent

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I've read your comment, but I believe I've already said everything I need to say regarding this dispute. Everything I've stated is true, and I believe I've answered all of the questions and concerns that were raised. If you choose not to believe me, there's nothing more I can do about that.

Again, this is not about the amount of money. My forum upgrade alone is worth around the amount you lost, and my account is worth significantly more. The reason I am refusing to refund you is not because I can't afford it, but because I do not believe I am responsible for your loss. I did not scam you, receive your money, or operate the service in question.

As I've mentioned before, I operate a VoIP service on this forum and have done so for months without issues. The income I generate from that service is many times greater than the $36.38 involved in this dispute. I have had customers from this very forum trust me with payments far exceeding that amount, and I have never taken advantage of them. If my intention was to scam people, there would have been far easier opportunities involving much larger amounts of money. The idea that I would risk my account, reputation, and ongoing business over $36.38 simply does not make sense.

Regarding the claim that the owner's account might be my alt account, I have nothing to hide. I encourage the administrators to check IP addresses, account connections, login histories, or any other information available to them that may help determine whether there is any link between us. I am confident such checks will show that I am not associated with that account.

At this point, I've presented my side of the dispute and answered the allegations against me. The matter is now in the hands of the administrators, and I will respect whatever decision they ultimately make.

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@Atlas_VoIP is not responsible for refunding you. @Cryptocard has been banned.
@Atlas_VoIP you can't promote this service anymore.

Closed.

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