SCAMMED BY @SonicRefs

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05 April, 2026 - 05:33 PM (This post was last modified: 05 April, 2026 - 05:37 PM by SonicRefs. Edited 2 times in total.)

(05 April, 2026 - 05:14 PM)Kinder Wrote: Show More
I mean you can check my warnings I reply in scam reports all time when I see something wrong

also I don't want you banned , and I do believe your service is legit ,

and is it actually unreasonable to take a security deposit from you? , be completely honest with your self because you have had way too many scam reports on you ,

I am not saying your service ain't legit or any of that shit

it's a safety measure for the community , that way if you did scam someone and it seems all your refunds are high amounts it would seem fair to pay the scammed user out of those funds

it's not a dig at you it's a security measure.

I already paid a security deposit! I haven't had any reports opened against me for months what u even talking about?

You need to understand that it's normal for my type of service it's a high-risk service (refunding) and openups which always can have issue since we use heads i am making a well explained message to this report so you will understand! You shouldn't be replying on someone else report scam read forum rules!

My point is, they get resolved.
Just because reports get opened on me doesn't mean I am a scammer.
I can dump all my 300+ vouches to prove that on the contrary a lot of people enjoy working with me because I work so fucking hard daily to make sure my customers are all satisfied.

It's part of working with a large customer base and a large selection of products and services. I do not offer a barebones swap or exchange service where I can directly handle everything live and fast. The type of products and the scale I operate on Telegram can cause these issues to occur because I have many workers so there are more variables and I do my best to mitigate all that.

The reason I am still not banned is because I always sort out the reports against me.

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05 April, 2026 - 11:23 PM (This post was last modified: 05 April, 2026 - 11:45 PM by SonicRefs. Edited 2 times in total.)

(05 April, 2026 - 05:01 PM)mrdawson Wrote: Show More
Scammers Profile Link:  https://cracked.st/SonicRefs
Sales Thread:  https://cracked.st/Thread-Supreme-%E2%86%AA%E2%8E%9D%E2%AD%90%EF%B8%8F%E3%80%9ASONIC-REFUNDS%E3%80%9B%E2%AD%90%EF%B8%8F%E2%8E%A0-140-HOT-STORES-%E2%AD%90%EF%B8%8F-AMAZON-DOUBLE-DIP-GOD-%E2%AD%90%EF%B8%8F%E2%84%961-HEAVILY-VOUCHED
https://sonicrefs.su/
Amount or Item(s) Scammed: $70 + $150 + $2860 = $3095
Screenshots of Communication: https://ibb.co/album/yF643r
Additional Information:
Crypto address for a refund: USDT - BEP 20 (can provide other addresses) 0x05ab458a729c9a67EeD1DA63Cb908150b28C6CaF

Drained by Sonic Refunds and his workers. @s0nicrefs @kayyashtrayy

I was looking for an Amazon refund service and saw that Sonic advertises the most and has vouches.

I contacted him to start process. We started communication on telegram. I showed him the product that I want and he adviced me how to best proceed. He first told me to use my aged account or buy one from his which is already ID verified. Since I don’t have an aged Amazon account, I proceeded with his Amazon account for which i paid $70. ( Images Reference 1-2)

Sonic then asks me to create a telegram group chat with his worker by sending his worker's telegram @( KAY - telegram @kayyashtrayy) who would be responsible for helping me with setting up the aged Amazon account. He provided me with the Amazon account. (Images Reference 3-4)

After setting up the Amazon account, Sonic’s worker Kay in the mutual group chat, recommends me to buy a bank account for the refunds : either Pana or RedotPay. Says this is best although I mentioned that I can use also Revolut. We agree on a price of $150, and Kay pings Sonic to confirm the sale price. I transfer the money and I receive in return a Pana Bank account. (Images Reference 5-6)
@kayyashtrayy

From there, he logs me into the account via phone number. This follows as such, I type in a phone number and he verified the SMS - meaning he has access to the bank account. He is the holder of the number and account and he logged me into it. Before proceeding I asked two times if it safe to deposit into Pana the amount around 2860 USDC. Images Reference 7-8-9-10)

After I deposited 2860 USDC, It was withdrawn within 4 minutes while I was asking how to proceed with my amazon order. On the Pana app, I set up a pin on the account, only other way to unlock account is via SMS, so only holder off phone number can access without me which is Sonics worker @kayyashtrayy. Image References (8→17)

After I got drained, I ping Sonic in the chat, asking what happened? In our group chat he starts pinging his worker @kayyashtray asking what happened. See the screenshots for your self of discussions with no resolutions. Sonic then invites another worker @s0nicenrolls to sort the issue. However the discussions are not productive. Sonics worker @s0nicenrolls says that the other worker sold me a used bank account, and that i am 100% not to blame here.   @s0nicenrollsrites as well that “if we make mistakes, we pay from our pocket” to their other worker. It is not clear who drained me, but the logic is whoever had access to the bank account, and that would be Sonics worker : @kayyashtrayy. Image References (18→30)

Sonics team admits the workers mistake, but refuse to refund. Image References (18→30)

My logic is, I was using Sonics service and his team messed up and I was drained. So the service should be held accountable for the mistake.

If admin has any questions, please let me know. All the chats are saved and available on telegram.

my first point directly show that i did not sold the bank to begin with!!!

1. i never even GOT PAID for this bank sale it was processed solely + entirely + separately through the worker

open the chat export of the chat and search for: "ll do 150 for him on this"

im directly quoting @kayyashtrayy (his telegram username) here ^

read that part or check the images here:
https://ibb.co/wFD7cjKZ
https://ibb.co/HkVCmNf
https://ibb.co/n8QS0Vgx
https://ibb.co/qYjmjz1d

as you can see the payment wasnt even processed by me and i didnt even process the order directly on dms which is something i always do

(i never even offered it to the customer in the chat either...)

a nigger goes and sells someone something and the buyer buys it with full consent and just because i outsourced a pre-verified amazon account to him previously using the same group means im now 10000% responsible for any type of loss encountered with dealing with him?

no, because i just am liable for a sale that IIIII directly processed with the customer himself (which this is not)

i never had single order where:
worker -> customer

its always:
me -> customer -> worker

the worker just processes something that was already paid for. this is how all my orders are processed

this is clearly different!!! this did not happen here

i have like 300+ active groups for orders and i dont always leave orders once im done processing them (or worker by extension)

whatever happens after i am now responsible? think about that for a second and see how unfair it is from my perspective

the amazon account ($70) was delivered successfully so let's get that out of the way rn

the pre-verified account order was processed (which you are not disputing and is completely separate from the pana sale)

@kayyashtrayy is a solo actor on that. you can check the chat yourself he literally mentioned the price and relevant details himself

i never confirmed or approved it!!! and anytime i sell something i have specific separate saved replies that i send myself and NOT sent by a worker

the worker might give some info or direct customer somewhere but they never process the payment themselves

the point i want to end with is that the TOS protects me fully from any liability on the bank open up purchase

my TOS: https://sonicrefs.su/openups/tos clearly states that any sale not approved and processed by me (whether through a proxy or not) is not something i can be liable for

open the link to read the full TOS or check the screenshots here:
https://ibb.co/B2tM3NYB
https://ibb.co/20B0nyB3

i offered a FREE amazon replacement + 10% back but i cannot refund the FULL amount scammed by the mule since as i just explained i am not logically responsible for it

i never EVER ever have a worker process orders not even my most trusted ones... all payments and purchases are made through me @s0nicrefs!!! never by anyone else!!!

ask anyone that ever dealt with me or purchased anything ever from me to verify that ^^^

export of my dms and order group with @mrdawson attached here for clear view of evidence: https://limewire.com/d/Uv9HF#Aub2NngXaM

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OP 05 April, 2026 - 11:43 PM

Admin,

I will respond within 24h. Keep thread open.

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OP 06 April, 2026 - 11:36 AM (This post was last modified: 06 April, 2026 - 11:38 AM by mrdawson.)

1. @SonicRefs created the transaction environment
@SonicRefs entire defense tries to separate himself from the Pana bank sale - but this fails immediately because:

@SonicRefs instructed me to create a group chat with his worker
The worker was introduced, authorized, and positioned by @SonicRefs
The transaction happened inside @SonicRefs operational structure

This is critical:
❗I did not independently find the worker - the worker was assigned by @SonicRefs
Therefore:

The worker is not a third party or “solo actor” like @SonicRefs claims
The worker is an agent acting under @SonicRefs service

2. Service relationship overrides payment technicalities
@SonicRefs argues:
“I didn’t personally receive the payment”
This is a weak argument.
Under normal service logic:

A provider (@SonicRefs) is responsible for actions of their workers
This applies even if payment was not directly received by the provider
Liability depends on control and representation, not who received the money

And here:

The worker acted under @SonicRefs
The worker operated in a @SonicRefs-created group
The worker was fulfilling the exact service @SonicRefs initiated

From my perspective:

I came to @SonicRefs for a service
I followed the exact steps I was told
I paid the person @SonicRefs put in charge

❗ You don’t get to avoid responsibility just because the money went to your worker instead of you.

3. You allowed the worker to deal directly (and were clearly active)
You’re saying:
“I never do worker -> customer deals”
But in this case, you literally did:

You explicitly created that structure
You remained in the group while it happened
You never intervened or warned me

That means:

You allowed and facilitated the transaction
You implicitly approved the worker’s actions by your presence

And more importantly:

I was actively pinging you during the process
You were responding by reacting (?) to messages
You even reacted the same minute I reported the money being withdrawn

❗ So you were clearly present and aware in real time
That’s not being uninvolved - that’s being actively there while it happened.
❗ That is approval, whether you want to call it that or not.

4. This was clearly part of your normal service flow (1 of 24 openups)
You run an open-up service that includes 24 different options.
Pana is one of those 24 options.
So from my perspective:

I was already inside your service flow
Your worker recommended Pana (one of your listed options)
The worker provided pricing and set it up

❗ There is no distinction between this and any other service you offer
It looked exactly like:
the normal process, just handled by your worker
There was nothing that suggested:

this was a separate deal
this was unofficial
or this was outside your responsibility

❗ It’s literally one of the services you advertise.
So saying:
“that wasn’t my sale”
doesn’t make sense when:

it’s your service category
your worker is fulfilling it
and it’s happening inside your system

❗ Any reasonable person would assume this is part of your standard service.

5. I did everything right

I:

Asked if it was safe to deposit
Used the account your worker provided
Followed instructions step-by-step

And still got drained in minutes.
I had no independent control:

The bank account required SMS verification
The worker retained that control

❗ I was placed in a position where loss was inevitable due to your system
This is not user error - this is a broken and unsafe setup.

6. Your own team admitted fault
Your worker literally said:

The account was used
I am 100% not to blame
“If we make mistakes, we pay”

THIS ALONE SHOULD SETTLE IT :)
❗ This confirms internal acknowledgment of fault
❗ It confirms the loss resulted from your side
You cannot admit fault internally and then deny it publicly.

7. Your Terms of Service do NOT protect you
You rely heavily on your TOS, but they fail for multiple reasons:
a. No valid separation
Your TOS says:
Not responsible for dealings not conducted directly with @SonicRefs
But:

The deal happened inside your group
The worker was introduced and authorized by you
You were present during the entire process

❗ This is a direct dealing in practice
Also:
❗ If I had independently contacted your worker, without your involvement or knowledge, then your TOS argument could apply
But that is not what happened here
You created the chat, added the worker, and stayed present
So this was clearly within your operation.

b. Your behavior overrides your TOS
Even if your TOS says one thing:

You directed me to the worker
You stayed in the group
You allowed the transaction to happen

❗ You cannot:
Create a system -> benefit from it -> then deny responsibility when it fails

c. The Pana disclaimer does not apply
The disclaimer says:
“If you lose funds we are not responsible”
But:

The loss was not random
The account was controlled by your worker
The worker had SMS access

❗ This is not “risk” - this is negligence or misconduct

8. Your system directly caused the loss
Let’s be real about what happened:

Your worker provided the bank account
Your worker kept SMS access
I deposited funds
The funds were gone within minutes

❗ Only someone with access could do that
❗That’s your worker or your system
Either way, it is on your side - not me
❗ This is NOT a case where I independently contacted your worker from a previous deal and tried to run something behind your back

9. This logic is dangerous for the community
If your argument is:
“If my worker takes the money instead of me, I’m not responsible”
Then what’s stopping this from happening again?
That would mean:

You route deals through workers
Something goes wrong
You say “not my responsibility”

❗That is exactly how people get scammed
Even if that’s not your intention, that’s how it functions in practice.

10. The Amazon account should also be refunded
I also paid $70 for the Amazon account.
Even if it was delivered:

The entire service it was meant for failed
The setup it was part of resulted in a loss
I cannot use that account for its intended purpose anymore

❗The service was incomplete and unusable as a whole
So I should also be refunded for that, not just the bank-related losses.

11. Request to forum admins regarding TOS transparency
I would also ask forum admins to require @SonicRefs to clearly display his Terms of Service on his listing.
There are concerns in the community that:

TOS may be changed depending on the situation or scam reports

❗ But even in this case, with the TOS provided, they still do not protect him
So full transparency should be required moving forward.

At the end of the day, I didn’t go outside the system, I followed it exactly as it was set up by @SonicRefs. The worker wasn’t a random third party, but someone introduced, trusted, and actively present under @sonicrefs’ service. The fact that the deal was carried out by a worker instead of directly by @SonicRefs doesn’t change the reality that the entire process happened inside his operation, with his oversight, and using one of his own advertised services. The loss didn’t happen by chance - it happened because of how that system was structured.
If responsibility can be avoided simply by shifting transactions to workers, then there’s no real accountability at all. That’s not a fair or reasonable standard.
❗I relied on the service, followed the process, and got burned because of it - so the responsibility still falls on @SonicRefs to make it right.

IF YOU ADVERTISE AS A PROFESSIONAL SERVICE, ACT LIKE ONE :)

Also, there is no need to be angry and vulgar towards your employees and call them the n word. They are a reflection of your service so be mindful of that :).

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06 April, 2026 - 09:17 PM (This post was last modified: 06 April, 2026 - 09:17 PM by SonicRefs.)

(06 April, 2026 - 08:45 AM)doggystyle3 Wrote: Show More
Sonic, may I ask you why you just changed the ToS of your site and then replied to this thread on purpose?

Can admins stop closing the eyes for 20$ a day from Sonic to keep him unbanned on Cracked, I know that Liar having issue with the rent but that's not a reason we can find a solution like open a PayPal pool so we can all donate.

So now stop the story telling Sonic and ban this npc to avoid more people being scammed.

it is very funny you say this because even the first version of my TOS which i have posted already EXEMPT me from ALL of this

it already defend me and further supports each one of my point you can check it here if you dont believe me: https://telegra.ph/Terms-of-Service-11-24-6

(this is the first telegram TOS i wrote a while back)

you talking shit on @Liars but you dont even know what happened you just want to believe the story you made in your head

even though i spend so much on the forum for pins liars went out of his way to maintain the integrity of cracked.ax and monitored my last big case diligently HIMSELF

because he wanted to see if i was a scammer that i will be banned 100%

i was then banned (even though i defended myself and proved that i did not scam anyone) and then paid a security deposit in accordance with the forum rules

you are just another guy jumping on the thread that dont even have anything to do with the dispute or me nigga GET OFF MY DICK!!!

(06 April, 2026 - 12:03 PM)2ti Wrote: Show More
we actually don't know if Sonic kept the money. :D seems like a good way to rinse buyers with big purchase intentions. 3k is a good hit. hope it gets resolved op.

this is the stupidest thing i ever hear in my life and its clear you have a broke mindset if you think like this

i just open my reviews channel which you can join yourself and see here: https://sonicrefs.su/?ref=links

and in my face i see like $10k worth of fees within 3 seconds of scrolling:
https://ibb.co/gZtjhh8g
https://ibb.co/N69WGwGC
https://ibb.co/VYMBCmrX
https://ibb.co/XZ2ZYMSS

i can easily make $3k in a day off order fees/boxing/mentorship/other products & services i offer and you think im gonna drain a customer to make that? why i risk my entire reputation and life over $3k?

you saying this with 0 proof btw and i can just say the same thing about mrdawson if i wanted to

what if he just sent the amount to a different wallet trying to make it look like he got drained and make report on me to get compensated for an easy $3k profit